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- From: rdstrac@ycs.ab.ca (Roy D. Strachan)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java
- Subject: Re: Java closer to Modula-3 than to C++
- Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 18:32:39 GMT
- Organization: Central News Services
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- bs@research.att.com (Bjarne Stroustrup <9758-26353> 0112760) wrote:
-
- >rdstrac@ycs.ab.ca (Roy D. Strachan) writes
-
- > > Frederic Devernay <Frederic.Devernay@sophia.inria.fr> wrote:
- > > >[ stuff deleted ]
- > > > (I still can't understand
- > > >where C++ gets its success from...).
- > >
- > > Directly from C. A few misguided companies, probably the most
- > > noticeable being Borland, closed their eyes and jumped feet first onto
- > > the OOP and C++ bandwagon. Once there they had to defend their
- > > position (and investment). How did they do that? They fell back on a
- > > technique that Hitler perfected; "If you tell a big enough lie, often
- > > enough..." Listen closely, you can still hear it ringing (C++ is
- > > better, C++ is better). Horse puckey! Every time C has been
- > > "improved" the compilers have become fatter and slower with the
- > > uncanny ability to produce executables that are also fatter and
- > > slower. What a concept; dare I say genius??
-
- >For a few historical facts and a lot of technical information, see
-
- > Bjarne Stroustrup:
- > The Design and Evolution of C++
- > Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-54330-3
-
- > > ...
-
- > > What thinkest thou??
-
- >That people ought to bend over backwards to keep net discussions
- >courteous and factual.
-
- > - Bjarne
-
- Dear Mr. Stroustrup
-
- You are absolutely correct, and I apologize for not spending a little
- more time making sure I had my facts straight. I do believe that for
- the purpose you wrote C++, you succeeded admirably. My intention in
- writing what I did was to play *Devil's Advocate* and promote a little
- lively discussion; I may have succeeded too well.
- However my definition of a good language/compiler combination is one
- that produces small, fast executables. While the fat, slow problems
- aren't necessarily inherent in C++, that has been my experience with
- existing compilers. Perhaps there is just too much involved for mere
- mortals to deal with effectively.
-
- Roy
-
-